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HOT S-RJ10

Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:19 pm

Hi,

I have a 5009 with eth1 used at 2,5Gbps as WAN (FO) and I bought some S-RJ10 to connect it to a LASN Switch 24 10G ports.

The issue is quite common (as I understood later): the transceiver goes so hot !

Is there a solution (no, I cannot add fan or extra heatsink)?

I saw other compatible transceiver: Opton, 6COM, HiFiber, FS, Ubiquiti ..

How they behave? same issue?

thanks in advance..
 
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Re: HOT S-RJ10

Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:42 pm

What temperature is it?

A quick google shows a range of SFP+ devices with a maximum of 85°

I have three 4 devices all with Cisco 10Gb SFP+ modules

CRS310-8G+2S+ : 38°
CRS328-24P-4S+ : 46°, 43° and 44°
RB5009UG+S+ : 43°
CRS326-24G-2S+ : 44°

Chances are yours is fine!
 
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Re: HOT S-RJ10

Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:59 pm

Hi,
I have a 5009 with eth1 used at 2,5Gbps as WAN (FO) and I bought some S-RJ10 to connect it to a LASN Switch 24 10G ports.

The issue is quite common (as I understood later): the transceiver goes so hot !
Common issue with that SFP+ device. Mine go to 95C between CSS610 and RB5009.
I recently moved and was able to put both devices together in the same technical cabinet and now I use a DAC-connection between both.
I'll see what I can do in future with those RJ-10s...

The problem is also that in my case, both RB5009 and CSS610 are passively cooled, so no way to cool those transceivers from inside.

Only solution if you still want to use those transceivers is either mount small heatsinks on them and/or use fan (internal or external).
 
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Re: HOT S-RJ10

Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:14 pm

10GBase-T SFP+ modules need active cooling. It's made for datacenters primarly, not home usage.

10G-Base-SX/MMF is often a better choice (and cheaper) if possible.
 
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Re: HOT S-RJ10

Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:27 pm

Added problem with those specific transceivers from Mikrotik is that there is NO WAY to downgrade speed on the device itself.
If you connect it to a 2.5Gb port, it will comply. But you can not select the speed yourself.

Put 2 on each end and they will always go to 10Gbps, resulting in quite some heat dissipation.
 
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Re: HOT S-RJ10

Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:46 pm

What temperature is it?

A quick google shows a range of SFP+ devices with a maximum of 85°

I have three 4 devices all with Cisco 10Gb SFP+ modules

CRS310-8G+2S+ : 38°
CRS328-24P-4S+ : 46°, 43° and 44°
RB5009UG+S+ : 43°
CRS326-24G-2S+ : 44°

Chances are yours is fine!
On the 5009 (mounted in a rack, not for home) it started from 48° just few seconds after I inserted, not connected.. and I removed it when I saw it was over 90° a few minutes after I connected it to the 10G lan switch..
The second transceiver was faulty and the third had the same behavior..
 
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Re: HOT S-RJ10

Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:45 pm

From the product page of the S+RJ10:

Any MikroTik device with active cooling that has SFP+ ports can now be used without installing any optical fiber, just plug the S+RJ10 and your network can be upgraded to 10 Gbps, making it ready for the next generation of RJ45 hardware.
S+RJ10 module is supported also on devices with passive cooling, but may require an extra cooling.

I.e. you can only use it with a product that has active cooling, and the RB5009 does not.
 
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Re: HOT S-RJ10

Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:16 pm

You can.
It works.

But it gets freaking hot 🔥
 
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Re: HOT S-RJ10

Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:18 am

I experimented a while with a SFP ADSL/VDSL modem, and it had the same problem.
The SFP standard has been designed with active cooling devices in mind (datacenter switches) where there is some over-pressure in the cabinet that flows out via the SFP slot. Without that, all except the most modern optical plugins get hot.
 
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Re: HOT S-RJ10

Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:39 am

Hi,

I have a 5009 with eth1 used at 2,5Gbps as WAN (FO) and I bought some S-RJ10 to connect it to a LASN Switch 24 10G ports.

The issue is quite common (as I understood later): the transceiver goes so hot !

Is there a solution (no, I cannot add fan or extra heatsink)?

I saw other compatible transceiver: Opton, 6COM, HiFiber, FS, Ubiquiti ..

How they behave? same issue?

thanks in advance..
https://www.amazon.com/Wiitek-Transceiv ... 07P39G4XJ/
Less than 2.5W Power Consumption
from reviews
I bought three different SFP+ modules for testing.
- The Mikrotik S+RJ10 Transceiver
- 10GTek Transceiver
- This one.

My use case for this is to connect my Dream Machine Pro to the uncommon 5Gbps gateway port provided by AT&T fiber. The 10GTek doesn't have autonegotiating so it didn't work.

The Mikrotik worked. However it was running a bit too hot (85C-ish) and it's close to being dangerous touching. I bought a SFP+ cage to SFP+ cable and the Mikrotik didn't work in the extension cable. That made cooling it outside of the UDM Pro infeasible.

Until I discovered this module. Autonegotiation works. Running much cooler at 58C (it is copper gear so this more than just meets the expectations). And it works in the extension cage as well. And guess what? Cheaper than the Mikrotik too.
 
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Re: HOT S-RJ10

Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:21 am

I have S-RJ01 (NOT S-RJ10) in my 5009 (not poe-model). For some reason i can't find info about it's temperature. Where should i look? It is not in interfaces > sfp-sfpplus1 > SFP. There is only setting for shutdown temperature.
 
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Re: HOT S-RJ10

Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:23 pm

S-RJ01 ( 1Gbit ) module doesn't have status reporting capability. But it consumes minimal power and doesn't get even warm.
S+RJ10 ( 10Gbit ) module would get hot in normal operation as it's stated to have up to 2.4W power consumption: https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/sfp_s ... 190212.pdf Elevated temperature reading suggests it's not ambient measurement but transceiver silicon itself. It should handle up to 100C or so.

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