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I certainly hope there are !
Note to Mikrotik, please use ASA plastic for the housing so it doesn't turn Mustard Yellow in our glorious southern sun. Thanks
Note to Mikrotik, please use ASA plastic for the housing so it doesn't turn Mustard Yellow in our glorious southern sun. Thanks
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Re: wAP ax?
It did really sting when I had to put a XV2-2T in at a beer garden.
Its right next to Nationals' Stadium in Washington DC.
Last year it was only carrying managers traffic.
This year they changed to a cloud based Point of Sales Terminals on WiFi. Went back into the router and built a new IP scope. Added a new VLAN tag to the switch. Generated a SSID for the Terminals and Handhelds.
2.5 months and all I have heard is "We were really nervous moving to the new Point of Sales system. But its been rock solid."
The point of sales vendor is considering dumping UniF--k (They have hundreds of installs with UniF--k) because they are so impressed with this site.
I don't wanna hear (see) one mother f--king word from any of you about about the price difference. The difference is: it works or it doesn't!
The hAP AC2 and CRS326-24G+2S-RM are doing their jobs.
But the radio duties HAD to be relegated to another vendor.
All THE POINT OF SALES DEVICES stay connected to 5Ghz across the entire site.
Its right next to Nationals' Stadium in Washington DC.
Last year it was only carrying managers traffic.
This year they changed to a cloud based Point of Sales Terminals on WiFi. Went back into the router and built a new IP scope. Added a new VLAN tag to the switch. Generated a SSID for the Terminals and Handhelds.
2.5 months and all I have heard is "We were really nervous moving to the new Point of Sales system. But its been rock solid."
The point of sales vendor is considering dumping UniF--k (They have hundreds of installs with UniF--k) because they are so impressed with this site.
I don't wanna hear (see) one mother f--king word from any of you about about the price difference. The difference is: it works or it doesn't!
The hAP AC2 and CRS326-24G+2S-RM are doing their jobs.
But the radio duties HAD to be relegated to another vendor.
All THE POINT OF SALES DEVICES stay connected to 5Ghz across the entire site.
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Is it going to have dual SIMs? It's annoying there are no ARM devices with dual SIM support.
Re: wAP ax?
Is it going to have dual SIMs? It's annoying there are no ARM devices with dual SIM support.
On that page.....
wAP R ax, ww2 - tmp
"data+power"=11111
"WinBox"=22222
"Neighbors"=33333
QuickSet=44444
"admin"=55555
"WinBox Files"=77777
"QuickSet"=88888
"/System/Resources"=99999
EN - English - Quick Guide:
First steps:
Make sure your ISP allows hardware change and will issue an automatic IP address;
Open the bottom lid;
Connect the device to the included PoE injector with an Ethernet cable to the 11111 end;
Connect the data end of the PoE injector to the computer;
Connect the power adapter to the PoE injector;
Navigate to the network connections section on your computer and locate the wireless network named "MikroTik-...". Proceed to connect to it (check the wireless passwords on the sticker);
Configuration should be made via a wireless network using a mobile application or you can use the 22222 configuration tool https://mt.lv/winbox;
Download and open 22222, and choose the 33333 tab to find the device;
Click on the MAC address. The username is 55555 and there is no password (or, for some models, check user and wireless passwords on the sticker);
For a manual update of the device, visit https://mikrotik.com/download;
Select architecture based on your device model under 99999 and download the latest packages (routeros-x.x-x.npk, wifiwave2-x.x-x.npk) for this device and download them onto your PC;
Upload downloaded packages to the 77777 menu and reboot the device. By upgrading your RouterOS software to the latest version, you can ensure optimal performance, stability, and security updates;
In the 88888 menu set up the following: Choose your country, to apply country regulation settings;
Set up your wireless network password in the left field;
Set up your router password in the bottom field.
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Yeah that page requires a login.On that page.....Is it going to have dual SIMs? It's annoying there are no ARM devices with dual SIM support.
I guess I was hoping for the wAPaxR with LTE – I forgot they made AP-only ones.
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The code is wAPGiR-5HaxD2HaxD&R11e-LTE6, has PoE out (500mW @ 24V) on 2nd ethernet
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Hopefully comes soon. I'm positively excited about WifiWave2, as 802.11k/v/r fast roaming works great.
Though, would hAP ax² in plastic enclosure with IP67 rating work? Well, obviously it won't be IP67 anymore, once I drill holes to the bottom of it to connect ethernet cable with PoE, but enclosure still should drain water around and hAP ax² should remain dry.
However, besides it being very ugly solution, what about humidity. Can hAP ax² handle high humidity during rains? And, freezing temperatures, such as -32°C?
Though, would hAP ax² in plastic enclosure with IP67 rating work? Well, obviously it won't be IP67 anymore, once I drill holes to the bottom of it to connect ethernet cable with PoE, but enclosure still should drain water around and hAP ax² should remain dry.
However, besides it being very ugly solution, what about humidity. Can hAP ax² handle high humidity during rains? And, freezing temperatures, such as -32°C?
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I think the chip will make it hot enough to withstand low temperatures.And, freezing temperatures, such as -32°C?
High temperatures are more likely to be a problem.
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Hopefully comes soon. I'm positively excited about WifiWave2, as 802.11k/v/r fast roaming works great.
To deliver WifiWave2 CAPsMAN compatibility in outdoors, wAP ac (ARM only) can be used with RouterOS 7.13 (beta release notes) and the new WiFi driver.
I've successfully tested wAP ac on 7.13beta as CAP, with hAP ax³ on 7.12 as WifiWave2 CAPsMAN. I posted a little bit of details in the linked beta release thread.
The wAP ax is not out yet. However, for my use case, I just need wireless coverage with seamless roaming. Speed doesn't matter as long as it's above 20Mbit. So, wAP ac is good enough.
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I think the chip will make it hot enough to withstand low temperatures.And, freezing temperatures, such as -32°C?
If power accidentally fails during low temperature periods, then device will freeze to death. Literally.
But I agree on high temperature issues being more probable.
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Just some thoughts ...
I have the impression with the release of 7.13beta and the wave2 ac-drivers, MT shot a bit in their own foot.
On one side it will make sure current owners of wap AC have no real incentive anymore to move towards AX. Potential missed sales.
On the other hand, since wAP AX is not yet available, it does bridge a gap until the new device is available (are they buying time, perhaps ?).
I have the impression with the release of 7.13beta and the wave2 ac-drivers, MT shot a bit in their own foot.
On one side it will make sure current owners of wap AC have no real incentive anymore to move towards AX. Potential missed sales.
On the other hand, since wAP AX is not yet available, it does bridge a gap until the new device is available (are they buying time, perhaps ?).
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But we did get a lot of love from our current AC device users, did we not
Let's hope it pays back in the long term
Let's hope it pays back in the long term
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Hi!On one side it will make sure current owners of wap AC have no real incentive anymore to move towards AX. Potential missed sales.
On the other hand, since wAP AX is not yet available, it does bridge a gap until the new device is available (are they buying time, perhaps ?).
Partly agree, but as an owner of a few wAPac, cAPac, until now I was just thinking to replace them by some other vendors APs. Primarily because of the different quirks and missing WPA3, and not because they are not the latest and fastest! Also because I haven´t seen MT giving it´s wireless, the much needed love.
Now I´m thinking: MT goes into the right direction with consumer WLANs, so it´s worth staying with MT APs! (and I already bought a cAPax, hAPax[2|3|lite|
Especially if they add back the VLAN tagging for WLAN subinterfaces in 7.13bXX!
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@normis:
don't get me wrong !
I welcome what you guys did a lot, it really shows your company is willing to make the extra effort for your customer base.
It will certainly help to boost sales on the still existing arm-AC devices now they can be reused/reconfigured and even expanded in numbers for existing setups pending wAP AX release (not soon then, I guess ?).
So yes, lots of appreciation for that move. Nobody saw that one coming
don't get me wrong !
I welcome what you guys did a lot, it really shows your company is willing to make the extra effort for your customer base.
It will certainly help to boost sales on the still existing arm-AC devices now they can be reused/reconfigured and even expanded in numbers for existing setups pending wAP AX release (not soon then, I guess ?).
So yes, lots of appreciation for that move. Nobody saw that one coming
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Mikrotik are slowly refreshing their AC line. I think that outdoor AX devices may be quite close to being launched
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I have the impression with the release of 7.13beta and the wave2 ac-drivers, MT shot a bit in their own foot.
On one side it will make sure current owners of wap AC have no real incentive anymore to move towards AX. Potential missed sales.
People buy new devices, because they are doing a new deployment, or replacing faulty devices, or upgrading/expanding existing deployment.
In upgrade/expand scenarios of old deployments, customers might try another brand for access points. If it's gonna break compatibility, then one might as well just go to different vendor.
In replace scenario. It depends if one wants to be investing in legacy system, that is incompatible with new generation of models. So, one might go with upgrade/expand scenario here, as well.
In new deployments. It varies, if one needs outdoors coverage immediately, then it's going straight for a different brand of access points.
With this move, MikroTik removed compatibility-breakage reason to try/switch to other brand in all above scenarios.
It is also strategically a good move, because long term interest in brand requires a trust. In case of networking one wants to trust, that future new devices will be compatible with old ones, or old ones will be brought up to date to be compatible with new ones - on software level. In case of 802.11r/k/v it's more important, because there's (AFAIK) no vendor-agnostic standard for multi-AP cooperation.
I believe, many people waited on what happens next. Or, went with other brand already. I.e., now - after this move, I will purchase another wAP ac once winter passes in order to complete the coverage of my garden.
Additionally, it shows, that MikroTik cares about users. And, rather makes things better over time, than going with "planned obsolescence" approach to force new sales. I love this move.
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Additionally, it shows, that MikroTik cares about users. And, rather makes things better over time, than going with "planned obsolescence" approach to force new sales. I love this move.
In fact, I ordered a few wAPacR's on Monday.
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Re: wAP ax?
You know... It occured to me... All the times I have used that old email as a cudgel.
06/10/2019
"...If and when we will fix it, I will contact you with a more specific cause of the issue."
Managing to jam the WAVE 2 driver on the AC radios... Would fix the issues that made us replace a couple hundred wAPs and cAPs... Might finally be addressed.
Turn around time: 4 years and 5 months.
06/10/2019
"...If and when we will fix it, I will contact you with a more specific cause of the issue."
Managing to jam the WAVE 2 driver on the AC radios... Would fix the issues that made us replace a couple hundred wAPs and cAPs... Might finally be addressed.
Turn around time: 4 years and 5 months.
Re: wAP ax?
Have to resurrect this old thread. I was looking for MT , with at least AC access point speed, with outdoor enclosure and poe in af/at support. Only thing that I could find was WAP AC and it's is discontinued. Really hope we get AX version soon, was planning on installing AP to my garage wall next summer.
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Have to resurrect this old thread. I was looking for MT , with at least AC access point speed, with outdoor enclosure and poe in af/at support. Only thing that I could find was WAP AC and it's is discontinued. Really hope we get AX version soon, was planning on installing AP to my garage wall next summer.
Amazon has the wAP AC for $90
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wAP ac is not discontinued
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Perhaps, but it's "brother" with miniPCIe is marked as discontinued (https://mikrotik.com/product/wap_r_ac)wAP ac is not discontinued
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Don't want to spoil anything, normis...the wAP AX is coming this year!
At least, so it is said on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/JSoModWAPIw?si=WQlTFGSH1o8zBpwM
At least, so it is said on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/JSoModWAPIw?si=WQlTFGSH1o8zBpwM
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rumors sure travel fast
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I would not recommend the wAP AC. I have the "refreshed" ARM version with 128mb, running 7.14, with wifi-qcom-ac (so that I can use WPA3) and nothing else -- no routing, no firewall, no additional packages -- and it reboots several times a day due to OOMs. Seems that the 128mb devices are not actually usable with the modern wifi packages.Amazon has the wAP AC for $90
Looking at upgrading it to NetMetal AX, or wAP AX, when it comes out -- assuming it has 256mb RAM.
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Are you running the wAP ac stand alone? I have multiple wAP ac's running with wifi-qcom-ac driver, for a couple of months. Running in CAP's mode, never ever ran out of memory. Would really like to see your config, @mag1024.
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Same thoughts here.
Wap AC is the same platform as cap AC and hAP AC2, I have a couple of those running purely as AP with wave2 drivers.
Not a single problem.
Wap AC is the same platform as cap AC and hAP AC2, I have a couple of those running purely as AP with wave2 drivers.
Not a single problem.
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Thank you for offering to take a look, @erlinden!Would really like to see your config, @mag1024.
Here's the config -- a couple of WAP3 aps, a couple of vlans -- not much else:
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# 2024-05-13 15:31:43 by RouterOS 7.14.3
# software id = S32L-8MSK
#
# model = RBwAPG-5HacD2HnD
# serial number = xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
/interface bridge
add admin-mac=18:FD:74:B5:A1:B0 auto-mac=no comment=defconf frame-types=\
admit-only-vlan-tagged mtu=1500 name=br-trunk port-cost-mode=short \
vlan-filtering=yes
/interface ethernet
set [ find default-name=ether1 ] l2mtu=9014 mtu=9000
/interface vlan
add interface=br-trunk name=vlan-mgmt vlan-id=99
/interface list
add comment=defconf name=WAN
add comment=defconf name=LAN
/interface lte apn
set [ find default=yes ] ip-type=ipv4 use-network-apn=no
/interface macsec
add ckn=XXX disabled=no interface=ether1 mtu=\
1500 name=macsec1 profile=default
/interface wifi channel
add band=2ghz-n disabled=no name=2g
add band=5ghz-ac disabled=no name=5g
/interface wifi configuration
add disabled=no mode=ap name=DMZ security.connect-priority=0 ssid=xxxxxxDMZ
add disabled=no name=LAN security.connect-priority=0 ssid=xxxxxx
/interface wifi security
add authentication-types=wpa3-psk connect-priority=0 disabled=no encryption=\
ccmp,gcmp,ccmp-256,gcmp-256 name=wpa3
/interface wifi
set [ find default-name=wifi1 ] channel=2g configuration=DMZ \
configuration.mode=ap disabled=no name=wifi2-dmz security=wpa3 \
security.connect-priority=0
add channel=2g configuration=LAN configuration.mode=ap disabled=no \
mac-address=1A:FD:74:B5:A1:B2 master-interface=wifi2-dmz name=wifi2-lan \
security=wpa3 security.connect-priority=0
add configuration.mode=ap .ssid=xxxxxxNOT disabled=no mac-address=\
1A:FD:74:B5:A1:B1 master-interface=wifi2-dmz name=wifi2-not \
security.authentication-types=wpa2-psk,wpa3-psk .connect-priority=0
set [ find default-name=wifi2 ] channel=5g configuration=DMZ \
configuration.mode=ap disabled=no name=wifi5-dmz security=wpa3 \
security.connect-priority=0
add channel=5g configuration=LAN configuration.mode=ap disabled=no \
mac-address=1A:FD:74:B5:A1:B3 master-interface=wifi5-dmz name=wifi5-lan \
security=wpa3 security.connect-priority=0
/ip hotspot profile
set [ find default=yes ] html-directory=hotspot
/ip pool
add name=dhcp ranges=192.168.88.10-192.168.88.254
/ip smb users
set [ find default=yes ] disabled=yes
/interface bridge port
add bridge=br-trunk frame-types=admit-only-untagged-and-priority-tagged \
interface=wifi2-dmz internal-path-cost=10 path-cost=10 pvid=12
add bridge=br-trunk frame-types=admit-only-untagged-and-priority-tagged \
interface=wifi5-dmz internal-path-cost=10 path-cost=10 pvid=12
add bridge=br-trunk frame-types=admit-only-vlan-tagged interface=macsec1 \
internal-path-cost=10 path-cost=10
add bridge=br-trunk frame-types=admit-only-untagged-and-priority-tagged \
interface=wifi2-lan internal-path-cost=10 path-cost=10 pvid=10
add bridge=br-trunk frame-types=admit-only-untagged-and-priority-tagged \
interface=wifi5-lan internal-path-cost=10 path-cost=10 pvid=10
add bridge=br-trunk frame-types=admit-only-untagged-and-priority-tagged \
interface=wifi2-not pvid=15
/ip firewall connection tracking
set enabled=no udp-timeout=10s
/ip neighbor discovery-settings
set discover-interface-list=LAN
/ip settings
set max-neighbor-entries=8192
/ipv6 settings
set disable-ipv6=yes max-neighbor-entries=8192
/interface bridge vlan
add bridge=br-trunk tagged=br-trunk,macsec1 vlan-ids=99
add bridge=br-trunk tagged=br-trunk,macsec1 untagged=*1,*2 vlan-ids=12
add bridge=br-trunk tagged=br-trunk,macsec1 untagged=*A,*B vlan-ids=10
add bridge=br-trunk tagged=br-trunk,macsec1 untagged=*C vlan-ids=15
add bridge=br-trunk tagged=macsec1,br-trunk vlan-ids=11
/interface list member
add comment=defconf disabled=yes interface=br-trunk list=LAN
add comment=defconf disabled=yes interface=ether1 list=WAN
add disabled=yes interface=ether1 list=LAN
add interface=ether2 list=LAN
add interface=vlan-mgmt list=LAN
/interface ovpn-server server
set auth=sha1,md5
/ip address
add address=192.168.88.1/24 interface=ether2 network=192.168.88.0
/ip dhcp-client
add interface=vlan-mgmt
add disabled=yes interface=ether2
add add-default-route=no interface=*D use-peer-dns=no use-peer-ntp=no
/ip dns
set allow-remote-requests=yes
/ip dns static
add address=192.168.88.1 comment=defconf name=router.lan
/ip firewall filter
# connection state matcher not possible when connection tracking is disabled
add action=accept chain=input comment=\
"defconf: accept established,related,untracked" connection-state=\
established,related,untracked
# connection state matcher not possible when connection tracking is disabled
add action=drop chain=input comment="defconf: drop invalid" connection-state=\
invalid log=yes log-prefix=inv
add action=accept chain=input comment="defconf: accept ICMP" protocol=icmp
add action=accept chain=input comment=\
"defconf: accept to local loopback (for CAPsMAN)" dst-address=127.0.0.1
add action=drop chain=input comment="defconf: drop all not coming from LAN" \
in-interface-list=!LAN
add action=accept chain=forward comment="defconf: accept in ipsec policy" \
ipsec-policy=in,ipsec
add action=accept chain=forward comment="defconf: accept out ipsec policy" \
ipsec-policy=out,ipsec
# connection state matcher not possible when connection tracking is disabled
add action=fasttrack-connection chain=forward comment="defconf: fasttrack" \
connection-state=established,related hw-offload=yes
# connection state matcher not possible when connection tracking is disabled
add action=accept chain=forward comment=\
"defconf: accept established,related, untracked" connection-state=\
established,related,untracked
# connection state matcher not possible when connection tracking is disabled
add action=drop chain=forward comment="defconf: drop invalid" \
connection-state=invalid
# connection state matcher not possible when connection tracking is disabled
# connection nat state matcher not possible when connection tracking is disabled
add action=drop chain=forward comment=\
"defconf: drop all from WAN not DSTNATed" connection-nat-state=!dstnat \
connection-state=new in-interface-list=WAN
/ip firewall nat
add action=masquerade chain=srcnat comment="defconf: masquerade" disabled=yes \
ipsec-policy=out,none out-interface-list=WAN
/ip firewall service-port
set ftp disabled=yes
set tftp disabled=yes
set h323 disabled=yes
set sip disabled=yes
set pptp disabled=yes
/ip smb shares
set [ find default=yes ] directory=/flash/pub
/routing bfd configuration
add disabled=no
/snmp
set enabled=yes trap-version=2
/system clock
set time-zone-name=America/New_York
/system identity
set name=wap-ac
/system note
set show-at-login=no
/system ntp client
set enabled=yes
/system ntp client servers
add address=10.0.0.1
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2024-05-12 18:38:46 system,error,critical kernel failure in previous boot
2024-05-12 18:38:46 system,error,critical out of memory condition was detected
2024-05-13 04:17:10 system,critical,info ntp change time May/12/2024 18:39:32 => May/13/2024 04:17:10
2024-05-13 14:37:11 dhcp,critical,error dhcp-client on vlan-mgmt lost IP address 10.0.99.9 - lease expired
2024-05-13 04:17:12 system,error,critical router was rebooted without proper shutdown, probably kernel failure
2024-05-13 04:17:13 system,error,critical kernel failure in previous boot
2024-05-13 04:17:13 system,error,critical out of memory condition was detected
2024-05-13 14:57:08 system,critical,info ntp change time May/13/2024 04:17:59 => May/13/2024 14:57:08
Re: wAP ax?
If something crashes or has out of memory issues, please raise a ticket in our support portal. Make sure you are running the latest v7 release and can repeat the issue.